This phrase
וכי רב לא שנאה, ר' חייא מנין לו
appears in a few places in Shas; I just saw it on Eruvin 92a. To me, it seems like a remarkable idea. It seems to work something like this, at least in Eruvin:
1) The amora makes a statement.
2) A mishnah is brought against his statement.
3) He explains how he would understand the mishnah to fit his statement.
4) The gemara then brings a beraisa (R' Chiya's collection) to show that that understanding of the mishnah is wrong.
5) At this point, the amora should be disproven: he is outranked by the tanna of the beraisa. However, he responds
וכי רב לא שנאה, ר' חייא מנין לו
In other words (I guess) the mishnah does not have any (internal) evidence for R' Chiya's reading over that of the amora, and therefore R' Chiya has no authority to tell us what it means.
That is a fascinating idea to me. I would have said: R' Chiya was a student of Rebbi, and learned the mishnah with him. Of course he knows what it means, whereas we are just trying to do our best to work it out. A couple of hundred years later, a disagreement has arisen on what was going on, and evidence from R' Chiya is ideally suited to settle it.
The gemara seems to be rejecting that point of view. If there is a later disagreement on how to understand the mishnah, and the mishnah does not lean either way - Rebbi must have written the mishnah in such a way as not to choose sides! R' Chiya has no business trying to settle an issue that Rebbi chose not to settle.
Or can someone explain this principle in another way? After all, the gemara is constantly bringing beraisos and ma'amarim from Rav or R' Yochanon which shift our understanding of a mishnah, and this objection is hardly ever raised. Do we know when to use it and when not?
וכי רב לא שנאה, ר' חייא מנין לו
appears in a few places in Shas; I just saw it on Eruvin 92a. To me, it seems like a remarkable idea. It seems to work something like this, at least in Eruvin:
1) The amora makes a statement.
2) A mishnah is brought against his statement.
3) He explains how he would understand the mishnah to fit his statement.
4) The gemara then brings a beraisa (R' Chiya's collection) to show that that understanding of the mishnah is wrong.
5) At this point, the amora should be disproven: he is outranked by the tanna of the beraisa. However, he responds
וכי רב לא שנאה, ר' חייא מנין לו
In other words (I guess) the mishnah does not have any (internal) evidence for R' Chiya's reading over that of the amora, and therefore R' Chiya has no authority to tell us what it means.
That is a fascinating idea to me. I would have said: R' Chiya was a student of Rebbi, and learned the mishnah with him. Of course he knows what it means, whereas we are just trying to do our best to work it out. A couple of hundred years later, a disagreement has arisen on what was going on, and evidence from R' Chiya is ideally suited to settle it.
The gemara seems to be rejecting that point of view. If there is a later disagreement on how to understand the mishnah, and the mishnah does not lean either way - Rebbi must have written the mishnah in such a way as not to choose sides! R' Chiya has no business trying to settle an issue that Rebbi chose not to settle.
Or can someone explain this principle in another way? After all, the gemara is constantly bringing beraisos and ma'amarim from Rav or R' Yochanon which shift our understanding of a mishnah, and this objection is hardly ever raised. Do we know when to use it and when not?